Is there a God?

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Re: Is there a God?

Postby AJMarcout on Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:43 am

Origin of the Universe

1. For every effect -- beginning with the first effect -- there is a cause.

Look about you. The proof of this axiom is everywhere. A smile from her causes a smile from him. Flick the switch and the light glows. Drop the bomb and the building is gone.

For purposes of this discussion, 'universe' is defined as all things known to mankind, including: 'time and space' (without which nothing can exist), the universal and unambiguous 'laws of nature', the incredible forces of 'gravity' and 'magnetism', plus 'energy/matter' in many forms.

Considering creation of the universe as the 'first effect' we can then ask the question: What was the 'first cause', i.e., what was the origin of the universe?

2. Scientists will be unable to provide a traditional scientific proof for the origin of the universe.
The most highly successful form of scientific method relies on the gathering of empirical evidence and conducting experiments to determine the cause of a given phenomena. Various theories are explored until the relationship of cause and effect is firmly defined by demonstrable experiment(s). The proposed theory is subsequently accepted when objective peers successfully repeat the experiment(s).

Since the causal actions which produced the universe must have preceded the existence of the universe itself, evidence linked to the cause would be outside the bounds of the universe. Moreover, the origin of the universe occurred more than 14.5 billion years ago. It follows that empirical evidence regarding the cause would be beyond the reach of scientists in terms of both location and time.

Without such data scientists could not conduct experiments to replicate how the universe was launched into existence.

3. Man, not God, is the maker of all current world religions.
More than any other species, man, equipped with intelligence and imagination, has successfully sought to protect and improve his existence by acts of innovation. Protection from the weather and predatory animals drove man to the development of caves, stilted dwellings, tepees, mud huts, and igloos. Hunting and self protection concerns resulted in knives, bows and arrows, blowpipes, and spears. Need for food brought us rice, fish, fruits, breads, meats, and vegetables. Communication desires produced dozens of alphabets and languages thus opening the door to reason, imagination, and conversation.

Upon achieving newfound skills of reasoning and communication the literate man focused his curiosity on the origin of the universe and his fears of mortality. These efforts are responsible for a variety of concepts including the invention of gods, standards of morality, afterlife existences, and the founding of religions based on commonality of beliefs.

The conclusion that man is responsible for the establishment of religions is strengthened when recognizing that the emergence of the literate man and all of the major religions occurred almost concurrently when viewed through the lens of astronomical time; geographic separations, rather than spans of time, account for the wide variety of cultural differences between the various beliefs.

4. The universe is the product of the Creator, a supernatural entity.
Conception, design, construction and installation are well recognized steps in the development of projects. Imagine yourself as the leader of a project that includes components such as: a) 'time', measurable but intangible; b) 'space', a rapidly expanding and invisible entity; c) sets of 'laws of nature' integrated to encourage interaction without chaos in the behavior of electromagnetic waves, chemical processes, movements of masses etc.; d) gorgeous planets, stars, and galaxies, by the billions, all on choreographed display; e) 'atoms' and sub atomic particles arranged to form materials with multitudinous properties; and f) 'evolution', a means for the random initiation of biological entities from spores to complex intelligent beings.

It is self evident that the accomplishment of the creation of the universe required skills and powers far beyond anything likely to exist in nature as we know it.

In summary and almost by definition, the maker of the universe possesses powers beyond our natural limits, i.e., a truly 'super+natural' entity worthy of the titles 'Creator' and 'God'.

Closing Thought
But, above all …
• “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
• Celebrate life.
• Respect the Creator and the gifts you have received.

Know that the truth about the Creator is, for each of us, what we know it to be from our deepest, private, contemplations.

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Re: Is there a God?

Postby Brandon Norgaard on Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:33 pm

Thanks for your message AJ and welcome to this site. Very well written and I find myself in agreement overall.
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